s1sh1
17 posts

My question is how ISP can notice port scanning, not on their servers, I mean if for instance I'm performing port scanning on some neighbor network, please note for learning purposes only :-) , how ISP can figure this out. I'm reading that some ppl have had really hard time form they isp's even disconnections because of that. I don't think port scanning violating any low, but anyway ISP can have it's "own" lows :-)

So I'm wondering what technics they can have to filter scanning type of traffic and what is the reason for that?

Thanks,

Alex.

joshlowe
101 posts

I would assume that most ISPs have firewalls and/or IDS/IPS devices in place throughout their networks, and they can detect port scans either against a series of well-known port numbers, or a large range of sequential port numbers. It doesn't necessarily have to be traffic destined for their own equipment, but even just traffic passing through a firewall or IPS on their network.

Also, if your IP address isn't spoofed while scanning, it's trivial for an administrator to do a whois on your IP and report you to your ISP, at which point they may take action even if they didn't detect the scan themselves.

As to their reasoning, I can only guess that they are trying to protect themselves and their other customers from reconnaissance attacks that are (most likely) unsolicited. They also have their image to protect, and if large amounts of attacks are originating in their network, it reflects poorly on them.

Even if it's not against the law wherever you are, it is most likely against your ISP's terms of service, and if you are detected or reported they could legally cancel your service for breach of ToS.

/2cents

Josh

nola
22 posts

I am skeptical of this intent of this thread....What good reason could someone have intiating discovery scans in the public domain?

fgabut
14 posts

When you're scanned you can send a mail to the abuse contact of the IP who did the scan : you get the ASN which it belongs to, then a whoisASXXXX | grep abuse will give it to you...

And when your ISP get this notice, it can get back do whatever it wants to the source of the scan...

SciFiHiFi
15 posts

Your ISP's detection is most likely related to the amount of scans you are running as well as the rate. Politely timed scans against a narrow range of IP's and ports will not raise any eyebrows. Massive scans are either triggering IDS's at your ISP or have been reported to your ISP by the target.

I am skeptical of this intent of this thread....What good reason could someone have intiating discovery scans in the public domain?

Fyodor of nmap fame said, "sometimes port scanning is it's own reward and you don't always need a reason"

The Ethics and Legality of Port Scanning

s1sh1
17 posts

Thank you all for your thought's.

Nola. no need to be worried :-) , no malicious intend. As I said before, Just for learning purposes... I'm reading Fyodor's book and testing out some options :-)

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